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Joseph Sulaco
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:06:00 -
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GOGO INTERNET LAWYER MIGHT SPOUTING INTERNET LAWYER YEAH!
In the US Cyberbully laws only apply to those under the age of 18. Also I'm pretty sure the "target" or legal guardian/caretaker has to complain. Of course I am not one of those elite arm chair lawyers so it's possible I'm making **** up or have had bad sources. |
Joseph Sulaco
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:30:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:This just in. California is everywhere.
Exactly!
Neither CCP nor "that person" are subject to California's local laws. What about the "target" of this harassment? If he lives there then MAYBE you have a leg to stand on.
IIRC I'm going to tell someone to die in a fire tonight in local. Someone please call the internet police, and I don't mean CONCORD. |
Joseph Sulaco
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:37:00 -
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Misato Katsuragi wrote:Joseph Sulaco wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:This just in. California is everywhere. Exactly! Neither CCP nor "that person" are subject to California's local laws. What about the "target" of this harassment? If he lives there then MAYBE you have a leg to stand on. IIRC I'm going to tell someone to die in a fire tonight in local. Someone please call the internet police, and I don't mean CONCORD. I used it as a mere example. I forgot I'm arguing with the "EVE" forums. To hell with it. I made my point. Moving On.
No I think the issue is you failed to make a point. Or rather your point was here >.< and the issue is over there -----------> |
Joseph Sulaco
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:48:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:This just in. California is everywhere. This just in, you are subject to the laws of the US even abroad.
I'm totally sure the Federal US is going to push for extradition for internet spaceships. |
Joseph Sulaco
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:28:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Ai Mei wrote:Wait wasnt all this stuff said and done in Iceland where the US has no juristiction? You are subject to US laws while abroad. Basically if you break a US law in another country you can be brought up on charges in the US for that crime. This came about in the lat 90s early 00s because of the sex tours to other countries.
Interesting I'd have to look that up.
In the military we were subject to both military and local laws but as a citizen abroad I'm not sure as I know several vacation spots are popular, like Germany, do to a drinking age lower than ours.
Regardless of that show us where he broke Federal US law then. So far all we have is California law and I don't think either person in question lives there, and if one of them did they would have to use the federal government to prosecute across state lines.
Also you know what I just remembered, The Mittani is a lawyer, he should know this **** better than most of us lol. |
Joseph Sulaco
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:49:00 -
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Anya Klibor wrote:Joseph Sulaco wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Ai Mei wrote:Wait wasnt all this stuff said and done in Iceland where the US has no juristiction? You are subject to US laws while abroad. Basically if you break a US law in another country you can be brought up on charges in the US for that crime. This came about in the lat 90s early 00s because of the sex tours to other countries. Interesting I'd have to look that up. In the military we were subject to both military and local laws but as a citizen abroad I'm not sure as I know several vacation spots are popular, like Germany, do to a drinking age lower than ours. Regardless of that show us where he broke Federal US law then. So far all we have is California law and I don't think either person in question lives there, and if one of them did they would have to use the federal government to prosecute across state lines. Also you know what I just remembered, The Mittani is a lawyer, he should know this **** better than most of us lol. You are partially correct. I know of a case in which a man from Alabama was charged with the death of his wife while they were on their honeymoon in Australia. I'd have to look at what part of the United States Code gives the government authorization to do it, but I'm assuming it would be because the suspect was an American citizen, as was his wife. Second, Mittens is either an aspiring lawyer, a lawyer currently, or a "retired" lawyer depending on which lie the Goons want to propagate.
RE: The Alabama dude, it's part of the Constitution that deals with it on a local (US) level. International Treaties deal with it on the Australian to US level. I'm pretty sure the USA likes Kangaroos  . Hmm I wonder if because both parties involved were Alabama residents that they just kept it local because of that, and charged/prosecuted when he returned from his trip? I remember the case you are talking about but not the details cause I don't plan on killing my wife so I'm not interested in them haah! |
Joseph Sulaco
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:10:00 -
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Montevius Williams wrote:Joseph Sulaco wrote:Misato Katsuragi wrote:Joseph Sulaco wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:This just in. California is everywhere. Exactly! Neither CCP nor "that person" are subject to California's local laws. What about the "target" of this harassment? If he lives there then MAYBE you have a leg to stand on. IIRC I'm going to tell someone to die in a fire tonight in local. Someone please call the internet police, and I don't mean CONCORD. I used it as a mere example. I forgot I'm arguing with the "EVE" forums. To hell with it. I made my point. Moving On. No I think the issue is you failed to make a point. Or rather your point was here >.< and the issue is over there -----------> Point was made - there are laws against cyber bullying. We dont know if they apply to the parties invloved becasue we dont know their laws.
Ignoring the other points we have been making about jurisdiction, nobody seems to know if either party involved is subject to these laws.
Therefore >.< and ------------------------> |
Joseph Sulaco
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:21:00 -
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Misato Katsuragi wrote:Sadly this is not what my intent was, read my above comments and you will see this thread is more of a focus on what I view as weak risk management on the part of CCP.
OK then
CCP Games Hf is an Icelandic company/entity and has no legal responsibility for the actions of it's clients.
How is that? |
Joseph Sulaco
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:40:00 -
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Misato Katsuragi wrote:Joseph Sulaco wrote:Misato Katsuragi wrote:Sadly this is not what my intent was, read my above comments and you will see this thread is more of a focus on what I view as weak risk management on the part of CCP. OK then CCP Games Hf is an Icelandic company/entity and has no legal responsibility for the actions of it's clients. How is that? But public image is, and in the case of CCP, it is something they've been fighting to fix for that past 9 months, since incarna. CCP is a company and at the end of the day, it has its own priorities to protect itself from what other people say. Why do you think advertisers remove their ads from radio stations when a DJ says something stupid. Guilty by association, it's how people think #1:Morale high ground #2: Legal issues related to one of your clients doing something stupid and one of your conferences, that you moderated. And however weak and doubtful they have been, they last think you would want as a company is your name and cyber bullying in the same article.
OK... Martha Stewart "served five months in a West Virginia federal prison" and still owns a large business and does business with other people and companies.
The Mittani mouthed off and is not even subject to his own state's local laws on the subject (I looked them up but out of respect, and forum rules, I won't hand out his home state or any other personal information, go look it up yourself and then keep it to yourself). Check this out http://www.cyberbullying.us/Bullying_and_Cyberbullying_Laws.pdf and look at all those "NO"s for "Off Campus".
Wait off campus! HOLY **** this only applies to school children.
I propose that CCP is not even slightly legally responsible.
PR.... All respects to CCP Manifest but he should be working some long hours just to keep an eye on things.
*sings a ditty about ship toasting* |
Joseph Sulaco
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:00:00 -
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Misato Katsuragi wrote:Joseph Sulaco wrote:Misato Katsuragi wrote:Joseph Sulaco wrote:Misato Katsuragi wrote:Sadly this is not what my intent was, read my above comments and you will see this thread is more of a focus on what I view as weak risk management on the part of CCP. OK then CCP Games Hf is an Icelandic company/entity and has no legal responsibility for the actions of it's clients. How is that? But public image is, and in the case of CCP, it is something they've been fighting to fix for that past 9 months, since incarna. CCP is a company and at the end of the day, it has its own priorities to protect itself from what other people say. Why do you think advertisers remove their ads from radio stations when a DJ says something stupid. Guilty by association, it's how people think #1:Morale high ground #2: Legal issues related to one of your clients doing something stupid and one of your conferences, that you moderated. And however weak and doubtful they have been, they last think you would want as a company is your name and cyber bullying in the same article. OK... Martha Stewart "served five months in a West Virginia federal prison" and still owns a large business and does business with other people and companies. The Mittani mouthed off and is not even subject to his own state's local laws on the subject (I looked them up but out of respect, and forum rules, I won't hand out his home state or any other personal information, go look it up yourself and then keep it to yourself). Check this out http://www.cyberbullying.us/Bullying_and_Cyberbullying_Laws.pdf and look at all those "NO"s for "Off Campus". Wait off campus! HOLY **** this only applies to school children. I propose that CCP is not even slightly legally responsible. PR.... All respects to CCP Manifest but he should be working some long hours just to keep an eye on things. *sings a ditty about ship toasting* Cyber bullying and Cyber Harassment have been used interchangeably for sometime now without regard to the age/campus limitation. But the fact that this is coming up now in news articles with the terms "cyber bullying", "harassment", etc.. Do I need even make this point... http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/116503-Eve-Online-Panel-Encourages-Harassing-Suicidal-Playerhttp://www.vg247.com/2012/03/28/eve-online-sm-council-chairman-intending-to-resign-over-suicidal-remarks-at-fanfest/comment-page-1/http://www.develop-online.net/news/40327/Eve-man-ashamed-and-sorry-for-suicide-jokeshttp://games.on.net/article/15232/EVE_Online_SM_Council_Chairman_to_Resign_After_Public_Mockery_of_Suicidal_Player_at_Fanfest
Lets see....
,com
.com
.net
.net
I don't see any .gov in there that would potentially have the authority to support your argument. Escapist magazine could call it whatever it wants too but by no means does it make it an actual legal issue. |
Joseph Sulaco
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:04:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Cool story, I'm glad that the media can decide what counts as harassment. With a small modicum of research you can go look up the relevant harassment statues and see for yourself that it was not: - Cyberbullying (not a school kid) - Harassment in general (didn't know the guy's real name) - Cyberharassment (wasn't harassment) At most, you got that Mittens had an unfortunate lapse in judgment and broke the TOS/EULA resulting in a 30 day ban. Which he owned up to like a champ. -Liang
Does the fact that he named the person individually make this a TOS/EULA violatoin? Because about once a year Helicity Boson organizes and event that is eve advertised by CCP whose sole bases is to suicide gank miners as much as you possibly could. GRANTED I don't remember Mittani's exact words at the moment but I do know he said to go suicide gank this guy.
I guess the distinction is the intended results of said actions? Suicide vs Carebear Tears?
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